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		<title>By: Sonny Kwan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonny Kwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emails addresses are worthless is the sales industry. PERIOD, unless you have a direct connection with that person or service or the receiver actually sees some value in what you send them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emails addresses are worthless is the sales industry. PERIOD, unless you have a direct connection with that person or service or the receiver actually sees some value in what you send them.</p>
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		<title>By: How To Piss Off 1086 People With 1 Click &#171; Security News</title>
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		<dc:creator>How To Piss Off 1086 People With 1 Click &#171; Security News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 15:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jamie Huskisson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie Huskisson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They must have been using a desktop app to send the e-mail surely.. with basic training i&#039;d imagine too.

Either that - or someone had a &lt;strong&gt;very&lt;/strong&gt; bad first day at work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They must have been using a desktop app to send the e-mail surely.. with basic training i&#8217;d imagine too.</p>
<p>Either that &#8211; or someone had a <strong>very</strong> bad first day at work.</p>
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		<title>By: paul haine</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul haine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait until somebody clicks &#039;reply to all&#039; and sends an email to everyone requesting that they &#039;be taken off this mailing list pls&#039;. That&#039;s when the fun &lt;em&gt;really&lt;/em&gt; starts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait until somebody clicks &#8216;reply to all&#8217; and sends an email to everyone requesting that they &#8216;be taken off this mailing list pls&#8217;. That&#8217;s when the fun <em>really</em> starts.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sender&#039;s address was a Gmail address actually so I assume they went through Gmail (*very* professional).  Desktop app/web app... pretty much the same thing though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sender&#8217;s address was a Gmail address actually so I assume they went through Gmail (*very* professional).  Desktop app/web app&#8230; pretty much the same thing though.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sell 1086 email addresses for at least $10,000? Um, hell yeah. As much as I would be tempted to just buy myself a new 1D Mark II camera and a couple lenses, that money could do a lot of good going to a charity.  I mean, I hate spam as much as the next guy, but we&#039;re just talking about about email addresses here and spam on the net is simply a fact of life. 

Now if we were dealing with names, addresses and phone numbers, that&#039;s a different story. I would have serious problems selling that info......although again, $25K or $100K could do a lot of good. And let&#039;s not kid ourselves - our personal information is bought and sold a hundred times a day between corporations for far less noble reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sell 1086 email addresses for at least $10,000? Um, hell yeah. As much as I would be tempted to just buy myself a new 1D Mark II camera and a couple lenses, that money could do a lot of good going to a charity.  I mean, I hate spam as much as the next guy, but we&#8217;re just talking about about email addresses here and spam on the net is simply a fact of life. </p>
<p>Now if we were dealing with names, addresses and phone numbers, that&#8217;s a different story. I would have serious problems selling that info&#8230;&#8230;although again, $25K or $100K could do a lot of good. And let&#8217;s not kid ourselves &#8211; our personal information is bought and sold a hundred times a day between corporations for far less noble reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike -

Don&#039;t get me started on Real Estate people. :)

A long time ago, when I was one of the first customers of one of the first ISPs in Montana, I spent some time knocking around the system.

I ran into a file that, essentially, was their entire client list, their phone numbers, addresses, methods of payment and usernames/emails. Everything but passwords was in that file.

I immediately notified them and they said they were aware of it and that they were going to do something about it.

Months later, one of the executives was forced out, and what did he do? Started his own ISP, spamming everyone in that file telling them of his new, less expensive venture.

Ooops.

Sounds like these Moda Condos people need to look into Campaign Monitor or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike -</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me started on Real Estate people. :)</p>
<p>A long time ago, when I was one of the first customers of one of the first ISPs in Montana, I spent some time knocking around the system.</p>
<p>I ran into a file that, essentially, was their entire client list, their phone numbers, addresses, methods of payment and usernames/emails. Everything but passwords was in that file.</p>
<p>I immediately notified them and they said they were aware of it and that they were going to do something about it.</p>
<p>Months later, one of the executives was forced out, and what did he do? Started his own ISP, spamming everyone in that file telling them of his new, less expensive venture.</p>
<p>Ooops.</p>
<p>Sounds like these Moda Condos people need to look into Campaign Monitor or something.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Hoult</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Hoult</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I completely agree with Erik here, I have to ask the question: Why wouldn&#039;t you sell it? Is it really that unethical? I realize that two wrongs don&#039;t make a right, but this is different. Like, Erik says above, your information is sold who-knows-how-many-times-a-day, so will one more hurt?

In all of this I have to think that it&#039;s the biggest waste of money ever. I refuse to believe you could even consider making a living from spam, or even junk snail mail. While companies may pay good money for it, where is the come back? Who buys this crap? Is it not the case that the only come back is that when you get found out you get hated and loose business (a la Sony rootkits)?

Perhaps this was a simple mistake by some inexperienced startup companies, perhaps it&#039;s more like gross negligence, but while punishable by death in the industry, it&#039;s not going to change anyones life but the person who sells the list first.

In short, I guess what I am trying to say is... Get in there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I completely agree with Erik here, I have to ask the question: Why wouldn&#8217;t you sell it? Is it really that unethical? I realize that two wrongs don&#8217;t make a right, but this is different. Like, Erik says above, your information is sold who-knows-how-many-times-a-day, so will one more hurt?</p>
<p>In all of this I have to think that it&#8217;s the biggest waste of money ever. I refuse to believe you could even consider making a living from spam, or even junk snail mail. While companies may pay good money for it, where is the come back? Who buys this crap? Is it not the case that the only come back is that when you get found out you get hated and loose business (a la Sony rootkits)?</p>
<p>Perhaps this was a simple mistake by some inexperienced startup companies, perhaps it&#8217;s more like gross negligence, but while punishable by death in the industry, it&#8217;s not going to change anyones life but the person who sells the list first.</p>
<p>In short, I guess what I am trying to say is&#8230; Get in there!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Goodman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Goodman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ethically speaking, selling the email addresses would be the wrong thing to do based on the argument that &quot;one more time won&#039;t hurt&quot;. This scenario _loosely_ fits under the &quot;tragedy of the commons&quot;. Otherwise, you may as well go make a quick buck with the emails. It was their mistake for being so wreckless in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ethically speaking, selling the email addresses would be the wrong thing to do based on the argument that &#8220;one more time won&#8217;t hurt&#8221;. This scenario _loosely_ fits under the &#8220;tragedy of the commons&#8221;. Otherwise, you may as well go make a quick buck with the emails. It was their mistake for being so wreckless in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: PanMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>PanMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got the same thing happening, a couple of times. And it did in fact result in some spam, as I usually use unique email addresses when I sign up.

But I think your quoted prices are quite high. I guess lot&#039;s of people would also sell the list for $500, or even less. This probably has to do with the &#039;crime&#039;: giving out someone&#039;s email adress isn&#039;t considered THAT harmful (I&#039;d say phone numbers would be worse, to me), with all the spam occurring anyway. I also think that you earn quite some more than some of your readers, and while I don&#039;t say that less earning people are less moral, it makes sense that their reference frame would be different: Just as an example: It could be that $50.000 for you could be a 20% raise, while for someone else, it could be a 100% increase, or (a lot) more. Altho, the people in your new &#039;housing club&#039; would be in a somewhat comparable income range.&lt;br /&gt;
But, why are you leaving? Didn&#039;t like how the new carpets in the common area&#039;s worked out?? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got the same thing happening, a couple of times. And it did in fact result in some spam, as I usually use unique email addresses when I sign up.</p>
<p>But I think your quoted prices are quite high. I guess lot&#8217;s of people would also sell the list for $500, or even less. This probably has to do with the &#8216;crime&#8217;: giving out someone&#8217;s email adress isn&#8217;t considered THAT harmful (I&#8217;d say phone numbers would be worse, to me), with all the spam occurring anyway. I also think that you earn quite some more than some of your readers, and while I don&#8217;t say that less earning people are less moral, it makes sense that their reference frame would be different: Just as an example: It could be that $50.000 for you could be a 20% raise, while for someone else, it could be a 100% increase, or (a lot) more. Altho, the people in your new &#8216;housing club&#8217; would be in a somewhat comparable income range.<br />
But, why are you leaving? Didn&#8217;t like how the new carpets in the common area&#8217;s worked out?? :)</p>
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		<title>By: Bradley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.

I think by now, everyone that knows me has heard my favorite speech at least once: &quot;Either e-mail me personally (you-to-me only), or don&#039;t e-mail me at all.&quot; If they decline in word or deed, goodbye. Gets ugly with family.

The worst is when you finally hand out your business e-mail to a customer and they proceed to put you on some sort of mailing list for their political opinions. Give it 2 days and you&#039;re in 30 people&#039;s virus-infected Outlook address book, and the new e-mail sound coming from your computer just won&#039;t shut up. Then you have to send the polite, &lt;em&gt;&quot;I use this e-mail address for business communication only, please take me off your list&quot;&lt;/em&gt; letter and hope you don&#039;t offend your customer too much.

Thankfully, I&#039;m proud to report only 3 spams in the last 4 years on that account. All were random. And it&#039;s most certainly because I take much care giving it out. My Gmail takes most of the heat for me.

Which begs the question, Mike: Did you give them a free webmail address, or your mikeindustries address?

For the record, you make $30,000/year on Dreamhost, don&#039;t go selling lists to boot. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.</p>
<p>I think by now, everyone that knows me has heard my favorite speech at least once: &#8220;Either e-mail me personally (you-to-me only), or don&#8217;t e-mail me at all.&#8221; If they decline in word or deed, goodbye. Gets ugly with family.</p>
<p>The worst is when you finally hand out your business e-mail to a customer and they proceed to put you on some sort of mailing list for their political opinions. Give it 2 days and you&#8217;re in 30 people&#8217;s virus-infected Outlook address book, and the new e-mail sound coming from your computer just won&#8217;t shut up. Then you have to send the polite, <em>&#8220;I use this e-mail address for business communication only, please take me off your list&#8221;</em> letter and hope you don&#8217;t offend your customer too much.</p>
<p>Thankfully, I&#8217;m proud to report only 3 spams in the last 4 years on that account. All were random. And it&#8217;s most certainly because I take much care giving it out. My Gmail takes most of the heat for me.</p>
<p>Which begs the question, Mike: Did you give them a free webmail address, or your mikeindustries address?</p>
<p>For the record, you make $30,000/year on Dreamhost, don&#8217;t go selling lists to boot. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Mobile360</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mobile360</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now...what would I call them...COWBOY&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now&#8230;what would I call them&#8230;COWBOY&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: ~bc</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same thing happened to me when signing up for a restaurant&#039;s mailing list, a fabulous tapas restaurant in Boston called &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tascarestaurant.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tasca&lt;/a&gt;. The funny thing is that the sign up sheet was by hand, so when they entered my email address, they did so incorrectly, leaving of the &quot;B&quot; in &quot;brian.&quot; Since I own the domain, I get all email redirected into a catch-all account... so everyday when I see spam come in addressed to &quot;rian&quot; I know it came because Tasca sent out their first mailing list emails exposing all the list participants. This was several years ago, and I can attribute probably &lt;em&gt;thousands&lt;/em&gt; of junk mails to Tasca. I emailed them about that after the first email, and months later they did switch to using specialized mailing list software that protects the list&#039;s addresses.

Everyday I think of that restaurant. But it&#039;s not a positive association. They should at least buy me and my wife a free dinner for all of this...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same thing happened to me when signing up for a restaurant&#8217;s mailing list, a fabulous tapas restaurant in Boston called <a href="http://www.tascarestaurant.com/" rel="nofollow">Tasca</a>. The funny thing is that the sign up sheet was by hand, so when they entered my email address, they did so incorrectly, leaving of the &#8220;B&#8221; in &#8220;brian.&#8221; Since I own the domain, I get all email redirected into a catch-all account&#8230; so everyday when I see spam come in addressed to &#8220;rian&#8221; I know it came because Tasca sent out their first mailing list emails exposing all the list participants. This was several years ago, and I can attribute probably <em>thousands</em> of junk mails to Tasca. I emailed them about that after the first email, and months later they did switch to using specialized mailing list software that protects the list&#8217;s addresses.</p>
<p>Everyday I think of that restaurant. But it&#8217;s not a positive association. They should at least buy me and my wife a free dinner for all of this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cay</dc:creator>
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		<description>Same thing happened with all official e-mail adresses of Andorra &quot;@andorra.ad&quot; (a very small, VERY rich country between France and Spain). I&#039;m not sure about how many adresses were there, but most of them were the official adresses of almost every bussiness, public entity, and individual in the country (beeing such a rich country, they were worth quite a lot of money ^^).
Ironicly, the email was sent by the marketing department of the only telephone company in the country, the same one that provided all those email accounts. So, obviously, in a few days they got their email servers overloaded, etc etc etc...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same thing happened with all official e-mail adresses of Andorra &#8220;@andorra.ad&#8221; (a very small, VERY rich country between France and Spain). I&#8217;m not sure about how many adresses were there, but most of them were the official adresses of almost every bussiness, public entity, and individual in the country (beeing such a rich country, they were worth quite a lot of money ^^).<br />
Ironicly, the email was sent by the marketing department of the only telephone company in the country, the same one that provided all those email accounts. So, obviously, in a few days they got their email servers overloaded, etc etc etc&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Luc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, yes, I&#039;d sell it for the right price. Hell, 2% of the people on the list could amount to about $10Million in sales. Surely that&#039;s worth $50,000 to a realtor out there. 

Hmm.. good luck with this one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, yes, I&#8217;d sell it for the right price. Hell, 2% of the people on the list could amount to about $10Million in sales. Surely that&#8217;s worth $50,000 to a realtor out there. </p>
<p>Hmm.. good luck with this one!</p>
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